@eonfifty they have definitely gone down hill since COVID. Still waiting on those speakers that had their shipping label created back on the 6th, So slow Ive forgotten what I ordered. I wonder if two warehouse workers were thinking I wonder whats in the box? Sounded like a scam so I hung up and dialed again. CTY OF CMMRCE, CA Waityour brother is your father? Departed Pitney Bowes Facility Umm OK. Pissy Bowels are moving again! Again I called on day 3 and they apologized and told me it would be there soon, another week after it arrived. I had one package that was handed off to the shipper and then it didnt move for ten days. Agreed. The only positive note on not receiving is that its been raining for a month so I couldnt use it anyway. Its been 5 since I asked customer service, and theres been no activity on the tracking for my orders in that time. Theres a good chance that they shut down traffic too and from a lot of there servers to plug security holes, which is why its taking them longer than normal and why were not getting updates. Maybe PB will realize they are in the wrong business. mediocre sent me socks. 45 days? Ive got 7 orders in transit, 4 of them are from the mehrathon, and nothing has updated even with a pointless in transit at a location its already been since the 7th, which was a Sunday. I dont know when Im going to get it in the mail. There used to be a full service restaurant in the bottom level of the Macys at Herald Square. JUN Aside: for whatever reason, French onion soup was not a part of my upbringing cuisine. secondly, youre not getting it providing me with tracking that says one thing one place and a different thing at another screams misleading and false to me, but maybe when people mislead you, you still trust them. When and if you finally do, it's clear that it has been farmed out to some third world country and they are just reading from a script. Sounds very familiar. LOL, July 15 8:19am ET @narfcake its not the tracking thats disfunctional. Arguing about the pros and cons using that shipping company is reasonable. meh at least refunded me. When Im buying something cheap, I dont expect the fastest service, especially when many companies have been operating with fewer staff due to a global pandemic. This is flat out shipping Hell! I also have a package stuck sitting still at the pitney bowes facility in grapevine texas I dont understand!! @stcsmi231 What happens is that you are told to contact the sender and then it hangs up on you. In my case between me and TX is the short side and it does that too. I have a package that arrived in College Park, GA on the 23rd. Im sure if they use Pitney Bowes Ill never get it! May 20, 2020 Definitely have the feeling that anything I buy for XMAS better be purchased before August 1st. @NITERIDERZ PB says you have to contact the company who sent you the package to find out what has happened to it and to get PB to trace it. But I do like the post office and hope it doesnt go out of business. It was inducted on the 13th, and had 5 scans on the 13th, 5 scans on the 15th, and single scans on the 17th, 20th, 21st and 22nd before being handed off to USPS. Royal Oak, MI 005269000075314583. Just want to be clear we understand the problem: massive increases in shipping are causing delays from our carrier, all over, but especially in the west, as mentioned above. I dont really think you should eat 99 hamburgers We value your health. If you call the PB phone number you will find (I speak from experience) it is just a recording that tells you this. Considering the pandemic, I dont think thats too bad, but it is much slower than most every order Ive made in the past (usually less than a week ). If its really just overload, too many packages in their system to keep up with, maybe Pitney Bowes should have started limiting how many packages they would take in, so some part of the people shipping stuff would go with another carrier. Now it says it never arrived there but was still processed by someone in Little Rock (who knows where?) They cannot tell me or even offer to help me find out why. BUT THE BEST PART of my most recent foray to PBs tracking page is a satisfaction with PB survey popped up! They do everything they can to prevent you from speaking to an actual person. It was in the same spot in Cali for two weeks then has been in Texas these last 3 weekslike I don't understand how they are so slow. Carrollton, TX. Seems like finding a new shipping partner would be better for the company than issuing refunds and garnering ill will from their customers. @lichme @Raider The old FAQ was a lot more accurate. In my opinion the recent spate of personal attacks, some out of the blue, on multiple threads is inappropriate, works to destroy the sense of community that meh tried to develop early on and if our kids did this kind of thing wed educate them and if it continued discipline them. 2020 I thought pitney blows was in the time clock or typewriter business. Good (or neutral I shall say) news is that this does provide the weight and I am getting the standard rate of $1 per pound. As for this Bitney Blowes experiment, I think they will regret it. Tangentially meh related. Duplicate round trips removed, etc. Package was to be delivered 9/28/22. Just easier to slide the letter through the machine or use the postage tape strips for larger envelopes-old habits are hard to break. Knowing my past luck it is probably headed back to TX again. I too have to chime in about the horror that is Pitney Bowes. Fortunately the USPS daily digest is pretty good about showing packages. I email the company I ordered from and they pretty much said we sent it so youre on your on. Since everything is delayed it is adding incorrect information to packages that are sitting waiting to be sorted. Granted its only the 15th but it still stinks. So far two packages have made it to Greenwood and got stuck for almost a week now. i miss mediocre. You can read snapsters post about it on pastadrop. A link has directed you to this review. Can you imagine if the USPS was run as badly as P.Bowla? USPS Longest transit time was 5 days after receipt by USPS (parcel shipping). That, in my mind, would be instantly changed to Pure Bull Shit. When was the last time you changed your opinion or acknowledged you were wrong? Re P-B and the question about whether things might improve. Theyre incompetent and Im currently feeling the pain. I called after 3 days. Another place to complain about the shipping. August 3, 2020 One was cancelled because they cant ship. All Rights Reserved. I kinda hope that the new places loses money, and that the building owners have to subsidize it. Wonder if someone will buy pitney bowes and it will flip back to a delivery company instead of a black hole that only eats product, but spits out the cardboard? 11:05am ET Since speaking worked last time I wonder if the package Picked up and Processed by Agent in my town on 5/28 will ever take the final step and make it to my door. If you bought your item from meh (who owns the forum you are posting on) contact mehs customer support. 4:37pm ET https://pastadrop.com/forum/topics/order-delays--drop-six-shipping. I dont understand how a company can get away with complete disregard for data integrity. Carrollton, TX. Only sometimes, and for some services, they dont! PB was miserable to deal with prior to all the COVID issues. Inducted into Pitney Bowes Network Consumers complaining about Pitney Bowes most frequently mention customer service, postage meter and negative stars problems.Pitney Bowes ranks 571st among Software Other sites. @scfd0766 That happened to me too. PITNEY BOWES is the the worst courier on earth. Unsubscribe at any time. May 13, 2020 Or just something said to start shit? Of last 4 items ordered, 2 came smashed and broken, 1 was non-functional and now thisempty. Googling Pitney Bowes news I find several recent articles indicating that theyve been hacked repeatedly. I wonder if Meh has asked PB to update our orders or if just a coincidence Mine all got an updated that they arrived at College Park, GA. Of course they were delivered to College Park Ga a week ago. mediocre was fun. Mine was finally delivered the other day after some dubious tracking information. My pasta is going to be completely dry by the time it reaches me at this rate. @wineplus meh chose newgistics which was bought by PB and only very recently has PB finally integrated the two shipping services into one. My May Irk has been in Greenwood since 6/16. To: . Grapevine, TX Shippers have Christmas level loads without having the year of lead time to prep, and an increased number of employees calling out sick. The solution is to moveto Carrollton TX next to the Medicore Labsi think there are apts around there bribe a Meh employee with pizza weekly to set your purchase outside and notify you via texti believe this falls under the super secret MVIP package that i can help arrange for you for a one time fee of $1200 limited spots available#sidehustle, @rtjhnstn Offering additional locals close to noted location can be obtained for an additional fee however trysty package procurement cannot be guaranteed in said additional locations standard rates apply. Im sitting in the parking lot right now and this is an office building. I called today to follow up and again told it will be here today by 7pm. Delivered to Pitney Bowes Facility The economical services guarantee a delivery time of 3 to 5 days, regardless of the destination, and the size of the package. Or at least should know better. Greenwood, IN Meh refunded the purchase. You and I (and many others on this site) know your history. @narfcake I started buying from woot in 2004 and I dont remember anything about the shipping process back then, but starting in 2009 I would track my packages, which would go right past me from Texas to St. Louis, then back to Kansas City, then down to where I live in southwest Missouri. At some point it would be nice to get what I actually ordered instead of a refund. USPS, UPS, and Fed Ex have been a little slower this year, but not a month(ish). @kevinrs Understood and Im sure there are others with long delays at various shippers. @OnionSoup @speediedelivery @OnionSoup If they asked, you got preferential treatment! Pitney Bowes is terrible I agree. A lot of people have their share of bad experiences with the USPS. Ive also got one shipped the same day as the one that updated today, thats been Grapevine since the 26th. Its almost 3 weeks later. 8:44am ET Mar 2023 - Present1 month. That is certainly not cheap. Yeah right. I forgot to post last Friday but wanted to give my weekly update! @Barney @benjaMEHn @Ignorant @narfcake @sammydog01 we dont want to learn anything here. My earbuds got lost in Texas, which kinda sucks because I needed them for work, but Im glad I didnt spring for the membership. @kjts it seems stuff eventually makes its way out of the Pitney Bowes abyssbut it takes a while currently. Only place safe to order is casemates. Shipping Expansion Sales Specialist. /image box mountain, @OnionSoup Amazingly that happened to this! 7:31pm ET And it makes me sad. May 15, 2020 Honestly label creation on the fifth until now is the way it has always been, they arent Amazon. Oddly there seems to be two different website for Pitney Bowes tracking. They should put a sticker on the box at every location. @Ignorant one crony showed up. Free shipping for many products! Honestly I wonder if they are just sitting in a trailer waiting to be unloaded. About 10 notifications in a row from the 18th until today saying it arrived or received (or some variation of that) in College Park, Ga. One of those being 4:29 arrived in GA. Then at 4:39 (10 mins later) it made the 4hr journey and arrived in SC Then 6 something says it arrived back in Georgia again. Apparel e-tailer Ezee-Source has found a way to keep its biker customers happy while throttling back costs with a free Pitney Bowes account on the ecomdash ecommerce platform. @smerk85 Im still waiting for the IRK I snagged on April 15th. This will be the first package from the mehrathon delivered since the 3rd. Companies displayed may pay us to be Authorized or when you click a link, call a number or fill a form on our site. Since the USPS increase in June to dimensional pricing for priority, the Pitney Bowes software has also applied that to online parcel ground shipping. Greenwood, IN /image Mr zip 3. The PB tracking says its in my town as of yesterday evening which means it should be delivered today. And the initial shipment was quick! @Felton10 maybe you should check out stamps.com and use promo code Penn. Also full disclosure the summer sausages are amazing. @juststephen Theyve done round trips, sometimes multiple, for more than a few of us. I currently have a package that was handed off to USPS 2 days ago without being sorted for delivery when it normally gets delivered the same day it arrives at USPS. Im not sure if youre saying I made this up, but You can be sure I didnt. Fuck Pitney Bowes. I bought 2 BT speakers from sidedeal and they first took 12 days just to ship, and now they have been stuck Inducted in Grapevine TX for 7 days. Fishers, IN The original poster doesnt like Pitney Bowes & thinks they suck all Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. WHY ARE YOU TAKING IT TO TEXAS ??? June 1, 2020 Pitney Bowes offers different types of delivery services, which guarantee different delivery times. The package then resurfaced a number of days later saying it was in transit - to where I do not know since that wasnt listed. Some different tracking sites within the pb network Ive found: 4:22pm ET May 18, 2020 On 9/21/22 the package arrived at the shipping partner facility in Irving, Tx at 8:39 PM. The refund process requires approval from USPS and is typically processed within 14 days of the request. They may soon be known for the delays more than anything else. Now that is out of funds and we are completely down. I dont know if thats worse or the ones that were shipped the same day and only have 3 lines: Shipping info received, Arrived at shipping facility, In Transit, all still in Grapevine. So its going to go one of a couple of ways, either within a couple of days it actually gets to the post office, or it goes back to Texas, or it just appears to sit at Bloomington for a week or more. Fed Ex Ground, anticipate 5 days transit, arrived on 6th day. Grapevine, TX 6:38am ET I can think of several huge national businesses that had lousy CS and then died a slow death, as opposed to companies that have thrived on a rep of good CS, such as Amazon & Meh. @carl669 @narfcake Too bad the name isnt Pitney Bowes Systems. And then. In Transit @Barney @benjaMEHn @narfcake @sammydog01 @mike808 @RiotDemon @f00l The issue I see right now is that the complaint about a shipping company thread was turned into by some but certainly not all of the people posting on this thread, an attack on the individual who started the complaint thread and on one other person. Ive had a meh purchase tangled up in the Pitney Bowes black hole since June 23rd. mehbe at least one. I have zero official knowledge. @goddesscatering it would be nice if that was an unusual occurance, but unfortunately happens all the time with PB. @admiralpoopants Mine has been in NJ since 5/17. 20 Fishers, IN I waited, and just kept getting the same. Waiting on two Pasta Drop orders for unsuspecting victims. If you click the View details button below the order or click on the order number you should see the tracking number. @Ignorant @OnionSoup Theyre horrible and anyone standing up for them is Well Im just gonna go with uninformed. Heres the new tracking information: It used to say the package arrived at the Pitney Bowes facility in Little Rock on May 15th. After receiving multiple refurbished Pitney Bowes machines and countless calls, our company still does not have a functioning Pitney Bowes. On a mehrathon day, some people may have tens of orders each shipping separately. Pitney Bowes in now blaming Covid. What I know for sure the claim on one of those tracking pages that it will be delivered today June 20th is not true as USPS mail has already come and USPS doesnt have it yet. 10:16am ET Other issues are the automatic computer updates. I dont mail a lot (although I have been during the pandemic) and I really like it. Is there? Grapevine TX (30 minutes from me). See how one 3PL cut transaction times in half by using Pitney Bowes technology. Although you may prefer an echo chamber of people who agree with you. Creating an international, military, or U.S. territory shipping label. The Brasserie was never a foodie paradise. College Park, GA. Notice it got to college park GA on the 21stthen it went to Orlando ( 2 hours away from me) on the 31stnowBack to college Park GA! I have had items I ordered May 15th that have not been delivered as of June 30th. Ive never had that problem when doing that. I have 3 orders with Meh in the last couple of weeks, all of which have been stuck at Pitney Blows for the last 10 days. because the early SmartPost wasnt smart at all. To: Little Rock, AR but now it looks a lot like @kevinrs image above. I am so over whatever this is & I will never buy from Morningsave, Meh or any of their other sites again after this. Sitejabber has helped over 100M consumers make better purchasing decisions online. The last is the one Ive mentioned before that was grapevine from the 21st, and finally got to bloomington yesterday. there is prolly a contract involved. @RiotDemon @thewynner All shippers have been affected by the pandemic. Supposed to be coming via Newgistics. These 5 orders are all over a week since last scanned, and up to 2 and a half weeks. Did they lose my order and just gave up? Well start sending you the news you need delivered straight to you. Is there a way to contact PB, I got questions? Would some please contact me? @mcc36 Pitney Bowes is the one that uploads the tracking, not meh. Thats the one and only update Ive received. Both appear at least be local now but no further movement. You call PB and the automated answering machine will only give you the option to speak to a live person if you are calling to make a purchase. Unfortunately I dont have an immediate answer, but I wanted to make sure its clear we know this is a problem and its something were paying close attention to and working on.". thats cool. says its moving in there, but not really holding out much hope, last one was just an open box. Honestly, im moving more and more towards cancelling membership before it renews mainly because of this. From here it went back to Indiana for a few days then was sent back here again to Grapvine TX where it has sat for 8 days now. Originally this was a Mothers Day gift, ordered mid-April. Departed Pitney Bowes Facility Unfortunately. May 20, 2020 The bad news is: another group of hackers has all your data and knows about the order you placed at mylittleponysexdolls.com. Yes there was room for comments. 2020 And so have many other peoples. IDK. @RiotDemon While they bought it in 2017, it is only fairly recently that they finally completely merged what newgistics was doing with how they do it to make one integrated system. @RiotDemon yeah. we have your money and your package, not our problem, fuck you, Its: This morning the status updated. Exciting news: I received an update for the first time since May 15th! 2020 5:21pm ET May 15, 2020 After, the issue is that it sits at some sorting facility for days before moving again. USPS Tracking says IRK is still on its way to USPS. Had I not had screenshots I am sure no one would have believed me (well people on here would have believed me). I emailed 11 days ago and have heard nothing. Somewhere in Indiana, a Pitney Bowes employee is probably sleeping easy on my Meh pillows. Probably that town is that name because everything sits there so long that it turns green with mold thank you PB. If it takes that long for them to get to the message, if it hasnt updated its going to be nearly a month without a scan, it will be time for them to figure something out anyway. When your phone charger manufactured in 2012 is ordered in 2020 on meh expect to receive it in 2035. Unsubscribe easily. But the USPS tracking information says USPS is still waiting for it. 2:49pm ET If P-Bs services were a universal clusterfuck all the time, there would be constant shipping probs and I hate P-B topics ever since the switch that happened. Seems the FAQ got changed to something much more generic recently. I mean, its been 54 days since I placed the order. If you bought it from someone else you will have to contact that someone else. @llphn Also not sure if Im doing something wrong, but when I go to track it on the Pitney Bowes site, using the same tracking number, it says that no package with that tracking number exists. We value your privacy. Making comments just to denigrate the feelings of others makes you an asshole. COVID-19 appears to have ruined the Hertz rental cars business; could Pitney Bowes be another victim, or have they been performing poorly since before the pandemic? I bought an item that said delivery by June 21st. @aardWolf @OnionSoup Thank you good sirs. PB is the absolute worst. @Frcal Hmm maybe it has been on the road so long it had babies and now you get two irks? @Ignorant so were potentially helping meh get new customers by whining about Pitney Bowes? That will make 40 days from order date to delivery to an address less than 20 miles from Meh HQ. Its location on this page may change next time you visit. Box arrived in perfect shape. The other two changed their delivery date to August-September. Meh. @benjaMEHn @f00l before Covid, the only issues I had with Newgistics is that there wasnt as many updates as smart post. Picked Up So my package is actually out for delivery today. 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